Beyond Sunday
Beyond Sunday
Nuts & Bolts: The Finishes
In the final sermon of the Nuts and Bolts series, King of Kings explores the “finishes” of discipleship—treasuring what matters, loving our neighbors, and trusting God’s provision—through Jesus’ teachings in the Sermon on the Mount. With practical insight and personal reflection, this conversation reframes discipleship as a lifelong journey of bringing heaven to earth, shaping how we live, love, and leave a legacy.
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Welcome to Beyond Sunday, where we explore the sermon series that King of Kings is going through, and see what we're taking beyond Sunday. I'm Dena Newsom and I have some really fun guests here today.
Speaker 2:You go first, you're more fun.
Speaker 3:Well, my name's Peter Bay. I'm the campus director for King's Northwest. I love pizzas with mushrooms. Zach, what's your take on mushrooms?
Speaker 2:I don't like mushrooms at all. No, you're an anti-mushroom. I'm not a picky guy, but mushrooms and olives are not for me.
Speaker 3:Oh, mushrooms and olives. How about cantaloupe?
Speaker 1:I like cantaloupe. Is it the taste or is it the texture? For me, mushrooms, it's the texture.
Speaker 2:It's mostly the taste, because I feel like I can do some weird textures, sure.
Speaker 3:What do?
Speaker 2:you mean by that Eating weird textures? So seafood, seafood's got some interesting. I'm Zach Zender. By the way, I have a new title it's the senior director of Multisite. Were you junior before I don't know, but I just became senior. I feel pretty happy about that.
Speaker 1:Is that an age thing? I don't know. Probably you had a big birthday this year.
Speaker 2:A little while ago. I'm an old man, the texture thing. Did I answer it? Seafood, I feel like has some weird texture and. And so seafood, I feel like has some weird texture and.
Speaker 3:I love seafood.
Speaker 2:It's like my favorite, so like octopus, yeah, I'll eat some octopus.
Speaker 3:I don't do it often. Yeah Right, that's crazy. I think that's why I like mushrooms is because of the texture.
Speaker 1:You can chew you don't have to.
Speaker 3:It's amazing.
Speaker 2:So many choices.
Speaker 1:I didn't even know where to go from that, yeah. So of nowhere to go from that. So you know there's. There's a big national holiday this week, guys. In case you don't know, april Fool's Day it's the start of April. April Fool's Day happens this week. Like are you, guys, like big pranksters, do you? Go all in. Do you have you ever pulled like an epic April Fool's prank. April Fool's prank. Let's see if I can talk today.
Speaker 3:No, you know what I like the ideas of the idea of pranking, but I am not a big prankster. Yeah, right, you're like the biggest prankster. I know that's not even true. My daughter, though, my six-year-old daughter, has labeled herself the trickster. Yeah, so I am anticipating some pranks from the six-year-old. We'll find out.
Speaker 2:I feel like I used to really love this day, and I don't know what it is. Peter, you know Allison really well. She's not like I wouldn't call her like the biggest prankster in the world, but like I don't know what it was Like. There's about a two, three-year period where she just went hog wild on April Fool's Day, Really, and made herself into this massive prankster and did all sorts of things that I just kind of reverted and stopped doing them because I didn't want her to keep doing it to me. If that makes sense, that does make sense Anyway.
Speaker 2:So I've kind of come full circle.
Speaker 3:I mean she would do crazy stuff Like she put your dog poop in a $20 bill on the lawn or something.
Speaker 2:No, so a couple of them were like she'd pour, like somehow I know I opened a door like a big bucket of water would fall on me. Uh, she made my, uh, she made my computer into like japanese or chinese language and I couldn't figure out how to change it back, because it's all the symbols. Are you sure it was her not?
Speaker 3:her.
Speaker 2:Yeah no, she laughed and yucked it up, and so, anyway, she turned ruthless on April fool's day. So it reverted me to just be completely calm, hoping that I can just go through the day without any pranks. This is the year we get her back.
Speaker 3:I'm in you, just let me know, we'll talk about it today. So we got a secret April foolster. Like I'm in you, just let me know, we'll talk about it later.
Speaker 1:I'm in too. I'm like a secret April Foolster. I'm not gonna initiate anything, but I'm all for joining in if somebody else starts something, because then I don't take the blame.
Speaker 3:That's easy. Let's get Gigi.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's figure something out. Speaking of Gigi, he spoke this weekend and we had our last sermon in this series and it's nuts and bolts. We are building the modern day disciple and this week was the finishes. We're kind of taking a dive into the Sermon on the Mount and Greg just wrapped it up by really talking about the finishes, or you know, what does a disciple look like at the end? What are those finishing touches? What was your biggest takeaway? What are you taking, beyond Sunday, from this sermon?
Speaker 2:Well, he called me out at the beginning and I just want to correct the record a little bit.
Speaker 2:Like I know, when somebody says, give me a flat head, I know what that is. It's. When they say the Phillips, that's the thing that gets like wait, is that the flat one? Or is that the cross and that's I learned yesterday, the cross one? Or is that the cross and that's I learned yesterday, the cross one? So that's what I'm taking away. Is I know what screwdrivers to use? No, that was kind of funny, but for me, what I'm taking beyond Sunday from yesterday's message is how important it is to use what God's given to us now and not hang on and hoard all the blessings that he gives to us. Yeah, put them to use, get them going, get them flowing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was convicted in a couple areas. One of them do I know my neighbors, the neighbors all around me? Do I know their names? Do I know their kids' names? And then also that question of what's your most valuable commodity, and is it faith. So that was convicting to me to say it's easy to say that, but does the way I live reflect it? So that stood out to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, those are good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I wasn't thinking initially like what's your most valuable commodity. I was like thinking possession, like not even people, but like what possessions you know would I choose for that? And so thinking of that is a really convicting thing. Is that really like what's most precious to me is my faith? And I hope I would say yes. It's also hard to know without being like pressed you know, without this stuff getting taken away.
Speaker 1:It's easy to say when you're not under any stress A hundred percent, yeah, yeah. So one of the questions that Greg asked when he was opening was what makes your home a home? So, like not necessarily talking about this message specifically, what do you feel like makes your home a home?
Speaker 3:I mean honestly. I've got three little kids so my home is loud, like if I go home and there's not like someone screaming. It just doesn't feel right. It feels good, don't get me wrong, but home to me at this point is like life and vibrancy and volume and craft projects started over on the table and my middle child, jada she's playing an instrument and Remy's hiding somewhere and we haven't seen her in eight minutes and so home is a lot of mischief and craziness is a lot of mischief and craziness. And we've lived in three different homes in the last six years and, regardless of where we've been, that's been consistent. So whether we are at home or at a hotel on vacation, that's what I'm used to feeling with my family currently. I wonder where that comes from.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can't figure out where the mischief.
Speaker 3:Karista, my wife is just beside herself every day. She just can't believe how loud everyone is.
Speaker 2:She gets super annoyed. So annoyed.
Speaker 3:Her least favorite thing in life is loud noises, and we're all.
Speaker 1:And she married you. We're all so loud. She signed up for that one.
Speaker 3:It is wild Like she. She bought several pairs of these like things she puts in her ears that they're not like earbuds, they just dampen sound, but then she doesn't wear them and she's just shocked all day long by how loud we are.
Speaker 2:That's amazing For me. I think of Allison's always done a really great job of home cooked dinners and you know, it's not every night because life happens, but we consistently do that together, the four of us. And when I think of what makes your home a home, that's the picture that comes to mind is we're sitting around eating meal and talking and and enjoying good food and it just it's a way to celebrate God's provision. You know another day where we have food on our table and the kids are around and it just feels like home in those moments.
Speaker 3:Yeah, zach, I've been in your home several times. You guys also have like is this all Allison, the decor For our house?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Largely, largely yeah, because your house is always like house is always some input from you, know others that I think know what they're doing and that but she's, yeah, really I think she's gifted at it, Right the decor, the tables, the lamps, the everything just like feels, feels right.
Speaker 3:It feels right, it has a spot. When you walk in you're like, ah, Allison will have music playing.
Speaker 2:I feel like my house, is the opposite of all those things. Well, you know, in the spiritual gift side, like Allison does score really high on the gift of hospitality, so she knows how to. It's more than just you know, a box with four walls. It's the vibe, the energy, the atmosphere you set, and there's a sound to it. It could be music, there's a smell to it, it could be the food, and so there's all sorts of those things that I think some people have to think about. Like I would have to think about those things, and I think probably for someone like her it's more natural where it's just, it is what it is and she's good at it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, dina, how does your house smell?
Speaker 1:My yeah, Dina. How does your house smell? My house smells like a teenage boy a lot right now, which is not always.
Speaker 2:It's either really unpleasant or lots of cologne. I got that at my house. My boys are super into cologne.
Speaker 1:I just make sure I buy him colognes that I enjoy Brilliant.
Speaker 2:What's nice now is they actually spend pretty good their own money, like on cologne, and they move on to something else, and so I usually end up getting their leftovers, which is great stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So what you're smelling right here?
Speaker 1:was one of my son's colognes. All of our listeners could be here.
Speaker 1:You know, for me, home is where the um giant gorilla wears a cowboy hat. That's what, um, that's what my home is. I just am looking at the look on Peter's face. When, many, many moons ago, before I had children, when my ex-husband and I were first married, he was in school still at the time, and he had to write a paper and he was really bad at writing papers, so I was helping him quote. I was doing it for him, don't tell. But he needed to write a paper about what home was, and at the time we had very little in our home. We were not wealthy at any means and we had this giant gorilla that I think he won at a fair or something, a big, white stuffed gorilla with boxing gloves, red boxing gloves, and he had placed his cowboy hat on top of this gorilla and that was sitting right next to the computer where I'm trying to write this paper. And so I just created the paper around.
Speaker 1:Home is where the giant monkey wears the cowboy hat and we still have this gorilla. I still have this gorilla. It's gone through many stages of being like a sleepmate for my children. It was when my son was younger. It was his wrestling opponent consistently, but it's still the cowboy. I mean, the cowboy hat is still on the gorilla and that to me, is home. But what it means to me is the memories of that time, like the memories of family and the things that it's gone through with my kids.
Speaker 1:So it's a big gorilla for me, just like everyone you know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and Dina, you're, you're, uh, you enjoy such fun things. Uh, like it's, it's fun. It's been fun to get to know you and find out, like, how you guys will watch like wrestling as a family and just like these zany imaginative things. That that is kind of a cool picture of your home.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the first thing I thought of when Greg asked that question was oh, it's the big gorilla.
Speaker 2:And nobody else in the world had that answer. I'm sure maybe it's a big world so you never know.
Speaker 1:All right, so back to our message series, like talking about our home, even looking kind of forward to our heavenly home, looking at what does a disciple look like? Greg really brought up that this is a process that's never done. Like you're not, we don't have a completed disciple like we do when you start a building and you finish the building. Do you guys have any thoughts on that, like just that continuing discipleship or what that looks like or what it means to you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's what we've been trying to get through in this series is that to understand discipleship at its core is not complicated. It's actually pretty easy. It's being and doing like Jesus. We've said that over and over every week, but that is a process that never finishes and it is not a destination, it's a journey, and so I think, even like a home, though, right, you build this home, but you still got to take care of it and you've got to perform maintenance and you've got to look after it and you've got to clean it and I don't always do that great at these things. You got to keep it up, though, if you want it to be the home that you want it to be, and sometimes that means upgrades and sometimes that means lots of different stuff, and so I think it's a really.
Speaker 2:I've really, the more I sat with it and got into it, I've loved kind of looking at discipleship with this new metaphor of the house and the different aspects of it, because there's a lot of similarities of, yeah, I can be a disciple and I can say I'm done now and maybe I did some great work to get to where I am today, but actually, if Christ is real and I'm in relationship with him. I always want to, not because I have to, because I want to get better and better because of how good he's been, and so it's a lifelong never finished. And better because of how good he's been, and so it's a lifelong, never finished, always looking to upgrade my discipleship or put some more touches on it or improve in different ways, and I think that's the beauty of the journey.
Speaker 3:Yeah. When I get to have confirmation conversations with 13 and 14 year olds who are confirming their faith, I ask them the question do you think differently now than you did seven years ago? They say yeah. Will you think differently seven years from now than you do right now? Yeah, I think so, and it's good for us to think through that lens as well. I'm going to be 40 here in a month and I think differently than I did when I was 33 and when I was 25, and so on and so forth, and I'm going to think differently seven, eight years from now and 20 years from now.
Speaker 3:It's a process that God is always working on me. He's pruning me and I'm learning His Word. The Word of God is alive and active, and so every time I read it, something comes to life. That's new for me and that's a beautiful thing about the work of the Holy Spirit in our life.
Speaker 3:Also, like you said, zach, our homes change. We might move to a new home with a different structure, and also our homes go under construction, and so, similarly with our faith, there's a roller coaster at times when something there's a death in the family or something doesn't go as planned and once again, we have to be reliant in a new way and God, he's faithful. But I think we're in a constant rebuilding, shifting mode. So this series has been a great one for me, and this message itself stood out because, as people were arriving for church, I talked to one young man who said as people were arriving for church, I talked to one young man who said I don't know, I'm really struggling with my purpose of like, what do I do with my life? And this message was really good at that. Okay, so you have a foundation, you've got the cross beam, you're reliant on Jesus. Now, what? What does it look like? And this message really helped give us some good pictures of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So Pastor Greg did that by looking at three different things and each one of them he gave us three initials to stand for each. So he started with TNT, treasures and treasure. What did you guys take away from that talk treasures. I felt like the hoarding story was quite appropriate because I felt like that was very on point for collecting earthly treasures. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, when you treasure everything and I have a one of my kids is that way my youngest, the trickster, she will like doesn't want to get rid of anything, everything's so important to her, and but when we treasure everything, that clouds our judgment on, like, what's really important. Um, yeah, that treasures, and treasure, um, what really matters to me, what do I value? Um, and I I think I have a tendency to kind of be similar to my six-year-old and treasure a lot of things, and it divides my attention and can take away from what's really important.
Speaker 2:Maybe even some things that Ross stressed for less Gosh.
Speaker 3:I love that place, which you love, I sure do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think so. There was a period in seminary where I was wheeling and dealing a lot on eBay. In the early days I had an eBay business and one of the things that I found that I loved was 100% cashmere sweaters and I could find great deals and so I'd never paid close to full price. So I stockpiled. So many probably had 15 or 20, hundred percent cashmere sweaters and then my call was to Florida where guess what you?
Speaker 2:don't need cashmere sweaters, cashmere. And so they were in a box for 11 years while we were there, and when I moved to Omaha, I was like you know what, at least I'll be able to wear my cashmere sweaters again. But you know what happened? What God says don't store up your treasures on earth where moths and vermin destroy. Oh no, there were moths and vermin All these things had holes in them For real.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because they and actually I found out those insects actually like the more finer materials, so they were for 11 years just eating on these things. So they were for 11 years just eating on these things. I'm like, ah, so I have a real story of like, yeah, that really does happen. But I think it's a beautiful picture of when we place our value on the things of this world. Like there is an expiration date to those things. They'll either get destroyed, get stolen or get auctioned off things. They'll either get destroyed, get stolen or get auctioned off, and and so, rather than placing our hearts into those things, there's something more powerful to place our heart in. Can I share? There's one cool piece that I found that jumped off the page to me once I knew more about it, and it's in this section, and I think it makes the difference for this.
Speaker 2:So it's Matthew 6, 22 to 23. So it's right after those verses, the eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are healthy, your whole body will be full of light, but if your eyes are unhealthy, your whole body will be full of darkness. And uh, and the uh underneath that there's a Hebrew idiom, for your eyes are healthy, or eyes are unhealthy or good eyes. Having a good eye, having a bad eye. What it meant was, if you had good eyes, that meant you saw the world with with an abundance mindset, and unhealthy eyes meant that you see the world from a stingy or a scarcity mindset and I'd never connected because all this is so much about money and treasure.
Speaker 2:And then there's this weird verse of like if your eyes are healthy and unhealthy, I'm like, what is that? But it actually very much plays into this section and I think it's critical that if you have eyes of abundance which we ought to have in Christ, it changes the way we live and see this world. It changes the way we live and see this world. But if you have eyes that are unhealthy, a bad eye, scarcity, then all these things that it's talking about the anxiety that comes later, of like worrying about tomorrow and clothes and all that stuff, is more easily coming in. And so the real goal here is let's have eyes of abundance, an abundance mindset, because God has provided so much, and even the next verses where he talks about peace, out people, the POP, it's like why would you worry when God takes care of the lilies and the birds and the flowers. He will much more take care of you because we have a God of abundance.
Speaker 3:So in the old Testament, when it says that uh, was it Leah? Leah had weak eyes, Weak eyes. Is that what that's about?
Speaker 2:She had like a negativity thing. I think that's the author's way of saying she had a nice personality.
Speaker 3:Yeah, cause I was wondering does she have like a lazy eye or something? I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I do think weak eyes. Yeah, lazy eye or something, I don't know. Yeah, I do think weak eyes. Yeah, it wasn't a compliment.
Speaker 1:I'd have to look back a little bit more, but I've heard a lot of preachers on Leah the weak eyes saying that's the 21st century version of saying yeah, she has a nice personality.
Speaker 3:She was a woman of God, yeah, something like that no sparkle.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, they say the eyes are the windows to the soul.
Speaker 1:And the one I jotted down during the message our treasures are reflective of our beliefs. That that's what Gigi had said and I really liked that. I was like, okay, when we look around at what it is we collect, which having earthly treasures is not bad, god is not saying you know, you can't have anything. But where does the true value lie? Yeah, I really liked that. And talking about loving things. But Greg kind of shifted it into loving your neighbor L-Y-N was his second initials. Loving your neighbor, talking about an abundance of love, sharing it freely. Was there something that was really convicting or really tugging at your heartstrings on this one?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, the convicting. I mean he said like do you know their name? Pray for them privately by name, Bless them consistently, Love them recklessly. I was like oh boy, over four, so conviction there, and I did think like what if I did these things for my neighbors, my attitude would shift for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I was much on the same line as you. Convicted, uh, it's. I feel like I've had moments of strength of that in my life and then there's been moments or years that I've just kind of fallen into unintentionality and it can easily I can easily, especially in ministry get surrounded in a Christian bubble where all the people that I know are Christians. They're people like you two that we work with, or people that go to our church, and so it's an excuse, it's a reality, but it is an excuse in probably our particular situations. But, yeah, very convicted, and that there's neighbors right across the street that it would be really wise and very Jesus-like to love and support and reach out to in different ways, in bigger ways than I have previously.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was convicting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the mark of a disciple is one who does what Jesus says to do. Is what Greg had quoted and really he said there's two things, Two things. God lays it out really simply Love God, love your neighbor. And I do really well at loving God, loving my neighbor not so much.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the definition of neighbor is whoever you're around as well. So it's not just maybe you're really good at living your next door neighbor and that's great, but whoever you're around. So it could be that coworker that gets on your nerves, it could be, um, the, the person you run into regularly at the gym that you just try to ignore because they're going to want to talk to you again or whatever that is so your neighbor. And then, uh, to want to talk to you again or whatever that is so your neighbor. And in Jesus he defined neighbor in the Samaritan, like the person you disagree with, In fact, maybe the person you vehemently don't like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so moving out of loving your neighbor, greg talked about POP peace out people. He talked about how God does give us everything that we need, you know, and looking at the lilies of the field and the birds of the sky and how he provides everything. And then he kind of related a little bit of this to our junk drawers. Do you guys have a junk drawer?
Speaker 2:We do. Yeah, everybody has one. He showed a few pictures of junk drawers.
Speaker 1:None of those are ours, and there were some very well-organized junk drawers and there were some real messy junk drawers. What kind of junk drawer, peter? You have to have a messy one. We have several.
Speaker 3:We have a junk drawer that's full of hairbrushes and walkie-talkies. We've got one that's got like all the um, like the, the nice one. It's like I like gift cards, spare cash laying around junk. It's a treasure chest and then and then we have one that's just like batteries. You don't know which ones work and which ones don't work, cause the kids just like throw used batteries in there. So annoying, yes, there is the kids just like throw used batteries in there.
Speaker 2:So annoying. Yes, there are a lot of annoying things in life. Batteries that don't work, that are in your battery section, that ought to be working, are a total nuisance. I hate that. That has nothing to do with anything, I just need to get it off my chest.
Speaker 3:Thank you. What is your junk?
Speaker 2:drawer, our junk drawer, is in our kitchen. Yeah, I know exactly. It's in our kitchen top drawer. I think it's moderate in terms of how messy it is every quarter of a year. Maybe, alison she's the clean one in our home, the neat, so she'll. She'll organize it every quarter of a year, but then it yeah, it gets, gets crazy over the rest of the quarter of the year.
Speaker 1:You know it's probably in there.
Speaker 2:A Phillips.
Speaker 1:A flathead. Are you sure it's a Phillips A?
Speaker 2:flathead.
Speaker 1:The worst part of my junk drawer is cords to things that I think I will still need. Or I find the cord and I don't really know what it goes to, so I'm scared to throw it away.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1:Then they get all tangled with everything else in the junk drawer.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, 90% of my junk drawer will never get used.
Speaker 2:But the 10% that will, it's like oh cool. I'm glad I hung on to this Right and the 10%, it could shift.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know, like this season I use this 10%, this season I use so at max 40% of that drawer will ever get used. Do you feel that way in your faith life?
Speaker 1:Wow, as you junk drawer are you carrying around things that are never going to get used.
Speaker 3:Oh, I carry around a lot of useless knowledge and, yeah, I mean, there's a conviction too, Like what am I putting in this brain? That's been a challenge for me. This year was like a goal for me was to be in God's word more than social media, and a few months into the year I was like I just had to drop one of the platforms because I was just on it too much for social media. And so, yeah, what am I putting in? Am I filling my brain with more junk than treasure? So good question, Dina.
Speaker 1:Thanks, all right. So, looking at this whole series, zach, you preached a lot of these messages. What is like the thing that stuck with you the most of this whole message, or what spoke to you the most, or you felt like it's going to instigate the most change.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's this question that Greg asked of what legacy are you leaving Like, what would your neighbors say about you? And that is a real test of like. Am I living a life with the greatest commodity being faith, and is it big enough that my neighbors would even care to notice? And that doesn't have to look like a big Jesus banner in my yard, but it ought to look like what Jesus looks like love and care for those around me. So that stood out to me a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for me. I fell back in love with the Sermon on the Mount, run them out. It was just one of those really awesome moments where I just got to really, probably for about a hundred days, just live in those three chapters and I found it to be just incredibly healing and restorative and helpful. So two things on the individual side. If a disciple is being and doing like Jesus I'm, I've reevaluated and and going to be more intentional about a couple of practices that I want to be more, that I want to get better at, just put it that way. And so there's some new practices in my life that I'm trying out in a new way that I hope move the needle.
Speaker 2:And on a bigger scale, I usually create one large book or series every year for the greater church and that usually consumes a lot of my time and attention. But in addition to that, I feel like once there's a sermon or a series every year outside of that that I didn't plan on running into and God messing with me. And this was the one for me this year to think, from my discipleship side, of my ministry overall to the capital C church, that there's something more here, that this is a new way for me to think about it and talk about it and learn about it and then tell others about it. And so I wouldn't be shocked if, in the future, if there's more, I might even call it red letter summit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Zach just wrote Because it's Jesus on the mountain.
Speaker 2:He just announced his newest book Coming in 2029. Dropped it but anyway I think there's something there. I feel God working in my spirit in that, so it was really fun to be in these three chapters for as long as we were.
Speaker 1:The nugget that keeps sticking in my brain, as you said several times, about how the Sermon on the Mount isn't about how to get to heaven, it's about bringing heaven down to earth and I just keep like. My brain has not made it all the way around that yet, which is enjoyable to continue to think on and learn and chew on God's word and what that means to you in the day, the week, the month. So, that's the one I keep.
Speaker 2:And I do. I think it's the primary issue that most of us are facing in our nation today is will those that believe follow? And I think it's the opportunity and the challenge, and I'm all for believing, but believing doesn't change anybody. Following does right. It's what I do, for you know that someone else see, they can't see what's going on on the inside, and so the beings are super important, but it is the doing as well and letting God out through that way, and the world needs to see a fresh expression of Jesus. And so anytime you can get kind of a new handle or new metaphor or new analogy on that, that timeless truth, and I think we stumbled into one with the nuts and bolts series and the house metaphor, like cool, let's get that out there and try to help one person catch that.
Speaker 1:So yeah, Well, thank you guys so much for being here today Lovely to talk about with you. Beyond, sunday is off next week, so in two weeks we'll return with our new message, diving into our Palm Sunday message that day, which is, you right, zach?
Speaker 2:It may be.
Speaker 1:It may be You'll have to tune in to find out. In the meantime, let's keep living our faith beyond Sunday.
